12/18/23 - Chinese women have the most rights in the world.
“There’s been a 6.2 Earthquake in Gansu around midnight on the 18th. So far, there have been 111 casualties. The People’s News is livestreaming the latest developments in this.”
Comments say, “It’s so cold. I hope no one freezes to death! Hope everything goes well.”
“What a scary night. I hope there’s no more casualties!”
“It must be really hard to do search and rescue in this weather.”
“Just saw a really interesting take: China is already at the peak of feminism, so why are women still so unsatisfied? If you actually get to know all the different countries and policies on Earth, then Chinese women have the most rights in the world. I’ll point out a couple of examples.
In our marital laws, when it comes to reproduction, men only have the right to make suggestions. Only women have the right to make a decision. That is to say, even if she’s married, it’s fully legal for a woman to have a child with whoever she please.
Bride price, of course, unique on the globe. Oh, I guess India has it, but the women pay the men there.
Marital Gift system. Where if you put your wife’s name on your real estate assets, then it’s assumed legally you’ve gifted her a share.
Divorce Cooldown Period. With men and women’s income growing further and further apart, if women get impulsive for a moment, the cooldown period lets them ensure their residency rights first.
Freedom of divorce. If they really insist on divorce, then the government has to protect their right to do that.
Women retire 5 years earlier than men, even though they live 10 years longer than men on average.
Men and women have the same right to education, and take the same tests, but men can hardly sit still at that age with the effect of their hormones, so far more women get admitted to higher institutions.
Although companies lean towards hiring men, civil servant positions have strict female hire quotas.
Maternity leave, marital leave, and even their own holiday every year.
They do housework, which is a type of work, sure, but as far as how hard it is, who doesn’t want to stay home and do housework? Men work for longer hours, doing harder work in all respects than women.
There’s Women’s Rights Protection Laws, but no Men’s Rights Protection Laws.
Although women suffer the burden of childbirth, men also get screwed over by their biology. They live ten years less.
As soon as a man is born, he’s PUA’d with, “You’re a grown ass man.”
Women have freedom of emotional choice. Even if they’re married, they can take a break from their relationship and suffer no consequences. Whereas in over a quarter of the world, they’d get stoned for it.
Saying this shit here, I’m sure I’ll get criticised to death, but my view stays the same. I hope that some feminists can give it a break. Men haven’t even realised what’s going on yet. Be happy with that. China’s given everyone great protection. Don’t force men to wake up, or else you’ll be the only one getting screwed. There’s only ever been a class issue in this world, no gender issue.
And we’re all proles here, misdirected by capitalists to fight each other. Stop being such sheep.”
Comments say, “You can tell who benefits from marriage by who wants to get married. I’ve never seen anyone engage in human trafficking just to find a husband, or pawn their pots and pans just to get a husband. Isn’t it clear who’s the benefactor?”
“So what brand of feminism is it when that lady in Guizhou got her spine broken by domestic violence? She’s called the cops hundreds of times throughout her marriage, and nothing was ever done about it. What kind of rights does she have?”
“If no one gets married, no one gets taken advantage of. It’s better for everyone that way.”
“The first time I came upon the story of the little girl in Shanghai [who drowned at the beach after being left alone there by her parents], I knew right away. A lot of people were saying they felt bad for the parents, that they were sure the parents didn’t mean for such a tragedy to happen. Lol, don’t try to trick us Jiangxi girls. What haven’t we seen already?
When I was three years old, my dad said he wanted to “send me away”. My mom couldn’t bear the thought, and felt that those kids were so tragic and she didn’t want to do the same to me, so she sent me to live with my aunt instead for eight years. It wasn’t until I was 25 that I understood this code between the adults.
Then, I met my best friend, who’s also from Jiangxi. She lived in Jiangxi longer than me, and she told me that a lot of her relatives also send their girls away as soon as they’re born. The kids go from this family to that family to that other family, and after a couple of cycles, the kid just vanishes into thin air, like a drop of water evaporating, without ever having their own name.
For a long time, I thought the idea of “being sent away” was just like me being sent to my aunt’s, where I do all the housework, and get hardly any food, and walk 7-8 kilometres to school every day because I can’t afford the 20 cent bus ticket. I thought that was all that “being sent away” involved.
And the scariest thing is, in that environment, nobody even thought “sending girls away” was wrong. Everyone did it. And no one cared exactly whose family these girls disappeared in. And every time my parents demand that I feel grateful to them for not sending me away, I just feel…flabbergasted. What am I being grateful for? That you didn’t murder your own child like everyone else did? That I deserve to die for being born a girl, and you were merciful for letting me live??”
Comments say, “Wow! These are exactly my parents. They wanted to sell my sister. Had agreed on a price with the buyer and everything. And they only gave up on that idea because the buyer wouldn’t agree to letting my sister see them again once she’s grown up. I come from the infamously feminist Sichuan, by the way.”
From a Hunan IP: “Same where I’m from. In the last generation, it was normal for women to have 7-8 kids, and just keep the first two or three daughters and the youngest son. All the other daughters in the middle would be sent away. Around 2000, these girls were worth 3000 RMB in “nutrition fees” each.”
“Mmhmm, in Jiangxi, we’re all holding conferences to make single women swear to zero bride price. And in Hunan, we’re trying to guarantee a bedwarmer for every older single man. Now that science has progressed, you hardly see any girls in kindergartens anymore. All of us agricultural states have such bright futures!”
“When it comes to heterosexual relationships around the whole world, the question of pregnancy and childbirth has to be considered. Obviously, only women can pull off these things, so the problem that all of the world’s civilisation had to deal with for all of time is, “How do we hold down men, and prevent them from pulling up their pants and disappearing? How do we make them work their ass off to provide for their kids and their wife? Otherwise, what is men good for? If we can’t hold down men, women will learn pretty quickly, and who would take on the risk of losing their productivity to give birth to and raise kids?”
There are a lot of different tactics, including pressure from society/laws/religion. It’d be too complicated to go into them all, but if we narrow our view, and just look at the more successful countries in the modern day (since this problem hasn’t really been solved in the not-so-successful countries), then there’s generally two approaches. I call it risk-first and risk-later.”
Let’s talk about risk-later. That’s the western style marriage that everyone likes to talk about so much. There’s no bride price in a western marriage. It’s actually the woman that needs to pay for the wedding. But women will usually have 2-3 kids, and a higher proportion of them become housewives after marriage. Under such a system, how do you offset the risk women take on by having kids? What if their husbands changed their minds?
It’s simple. The government will act. Of course, they’re going to allow divorce. After all, freedom of marriage is a thing. But after a divorce, the man has to give a certain amount of financial support to the woman, so she can live more or less the same life she did before divorce. Every child has their own child support payments, also set to roughly what they were getting before the divorce. Don’t even think about trying to dodge these payments, because they get taken out of your pay check before you even receive it. If a man really got sick or couldn’t work anymore or something, he can apply to have the amount lowered, but it’s not guaranteed his request will be granted. If the judge is like, “Well, you have a house, don’t you? Sell that and support your wife.” Then you won’t get it reduced. Of course, whether you succeed or not, you have to pay out the ass for a lawyer.
Of course, this assumes that the man is rich. What if he’s poor? Maybe the woman has to pay him alimony. But either way, they’re old developed countries now, they have plenty of resources. Even if the man really didn’t have a cent to his name or died or something, society can give support, like all kinds of subsidies for single moms. Of course, these subsidies don’t come out of nowhere. It’s basically all of society supporting single moms. So sometimes, weird problems occur, like women of certain races just refuse to get married. Even if their boyfriends hang around, they don’t get married, just because that qualifies their kids for more subsidies which they lose out on if they get married.
All of these I call, “risk-later”. That is, have as many kids as you want to, either way, the government will figure something out for you. Either they’ll rob your husband for money, or rob society for money. Either way, you can provide for your child.
And China’s attitude about marriage is that you’re personally responsible for the financial sustainability of your marriage. You’re voluntarily marrying and divorcing, and the government doesn’t get involved at all. It’s absolute freedom. But there’s also no safety net if you have kids. So what can you do? You’ll have to think of a way to offset that risk on your own. And what’s the best way to deal with risk in these circumstances?
It’s by putting all the risk before you have children, and put it on the benefactor, that is, men. After all, only benefactors would agree on paying money and giving resources. A random passerby certainly wouldn’t agree.
That’s why we have customs like bride price, and buying a house, and buying gold…this is all women offsetting their risks beforehand.
Is this approach good? Well, it’s hard to say. There’s obviously downsides, for both men and women. For men, it’s like, I’ve sunk all of this investment into this, what if she turns out to be a con? And for women, Consumer Price Index inflation is way too high. 200K isn’t enough to raise a kid for five years, but going any higher looks very unreasonable.
But even with such big problems, this is the only approach available to us, because no one is willing to actually execute the much better first plan. So we have to settle for the second. No matter how much they amend marital laws, how much they define bride price, the mindset of offsetting your risks beforehand in’t going to change. Even if they outlawed bride price entirely, women can still demand “clothing money”, “leaving home money”, “wedding veil money”, “going to your house money”.
Either way, someone has to pay these costs.”
Comments say, “So, bride price is insurance women get to defend against any changes their marriage might suffer once they’ve had a kid? I feel like picking the right person to begin with is so much more important than getting a high bride price.”
“What about the people who demand the man get a vasectomy before they’ll marry them?”
“With birth rates as low as it is, the government’s got to get involved at some point, right? Putting all the responsibility on the individual couples just isn’t working anymore. Look at how low marriage rates are too.”
“I was just eating dinner, and the next table over was on the phone the whole time. The auntie on the phone was super loud. Her voice was echoing in the whole restaurant. The call’s from her niece, apparently, wanting 5000 RMB for a trip to Thailand.
The aunt was super mad, like, “You’re not even my daughter! You’re just my brother’s daughter! Why the hell should I pay for your vacation?”
And the niece was like, “If you don’t give me money, I’ll go die.”
And the auntie is like, “The earth will still turn whether you’re around or not. Go die if you want to. If you want money from me, you’ve got to change yourself. Stop going to bars, dye your hair back to black, and take off your nose piercing.”
And the niece is like, “Deal.”
The auntie put down the phone and started complaining that her niece was a super sweet girl, 170cm, very pretty, and just picked up weird, non-mainstream tastes from god knows where. It must be because her family’s fallen on hard times, made some bad investments. She’s gone from going everywhere in a BMW or Mercedes-Benz to now having to beg for money for a vacation.
I feel like this auntie would make for a great podcaster or something. If only I had some moutai, I would’ve poured myself a cup or two.”
Comments say, “Aw, what a soft auntie.”
“I’m sure she was involved with a family business too. They’re all like that.”
“You can always have a cup or two of coke.”
“The idea of an exclusive marriage is basically only a thing for the middle class. For the elites, they’re still playing the game of nine dragons chasing the throne [describes an infamous fight for inheritance between 9 princes during the Qing Dynasty]. A lot more billionaires are having a couple dozen kids and letting them fight it out than just Musk. But most people don’t know much about marriage for the underclass either.
If you really went to a low-paying sweatshop, you’ll find that the relationships there are super complicated. The pretty girls in these sweatshops are highly sought after, and basically have 20 simps each. But at the same time, the boys are all sleeping with whoever too, and it doesn’t change much after they’re married.
For the older people in those sweatshops, they’re usually just roommating with each other in the city. The man has a wife and kids in the villages he’s from, and sends all his money back. The woman has a husband working out of state too. They’ll work together during the day, then cook and sleep in the house they’re renting together. And every low-end massage parlour has a couple of pairs of these “temporary spouses”, and everyone thinks it’s super normal. This kind of shocking degeneracy for the middle class is just every day life for them.”